1) I really think that may make the support topics even harder to find. A lot of people would come, click around the regular forums and then leave without ever visiting the support section. The way it is now, people click fresh topics and sometimes read a plea for help and will feel a need to reply. In my opinion anyways.

I can see the good and the bad. It would cut back on spam replies to support topics. But I also feel as though it will cut back on replies in general and fear the support section becoming as dead as the college section.

2) If you ask me, I would rather have too many support leaders than too few. Yeah, it sucks to see people with the badge who don't do anything. But if that person helps just one person that they couldn't have helped without being a support leader, then it's worth having that person as a SL.  

medjai's idea is intriguing. Making SLs compete to keep their position would be interesting. But not all SLs are competitive people. I really feel as though this would keep many excellent people from bothering to go for the position since it's so cutthroat.

I completely agree with SLs not being able to have moderator powers any longer. I've always said that SLs are here to support. If they want to moderate, they can apply for that position. Moving topics and hiding replies are nothing more than distractions that keep SLs focused on their 'other duties' rather than replying to ehelps and serious forum topics. Support leaders are not moderators, they have entirely different roles.

3) I can agree with no points for DTRM replies. But making a spam forum is ridiculous, in my opinion. If you want to bring back support, why create a forum dedicated to  spam? It just encourages that behavior.

But I also worry about people posting in other forums with spammy replies just to get points. Mods can't see everything, they aren't robots. So some of that spam would slip through and decrease the quality of replies in the other forums.

So there, my thoughts.

Post edited at 5:01 am on July 20, 2008 by audrey820

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when the fuck did moderator rotation ever have anything to do with peer support? do you actually know what this topic is about at all or are you doing your usual jumping on the anti-moderator bandwagon?

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suicidal kids miss jesse, man. they really do. and he's just an example; there have been others that couldn't perform nearly the same because now they have to deal with stupid rulebreakers and spamkids.

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Quote: from katyduck at 7:33 am on July 20, 2008

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when the fuck did moderator rotation ever have anything to do with peer support? do you actually know what this topic is about at all or are you doing your usual jumping on the anti-moderator bandwagon?

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some of the most helpful support leaders are now moderators and, as a result, they don't support anymore.

suicidal kids miss jesse, man. they really do. and he's just an example; there have been others that couldn't perform nearly the same because now they have to deal with stupid rulebreakers and spamkids.

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I really don't think that being a support leader should even be a requirement for moderation, because good support leaders don't necessarily make good moderators and good moderators don't necessarily make good support leaders. They're completely separate roles. Honestly, in my opinion, "Support Leader" should be a higher billet than moderator, but for that to happen something like what I'm describing needs to take place.

As for Jesse, I have no idea how supportive he is now or whatever, but he was good support leader when he was one, and he's a good mod now that he is one as well. I'm rather confident that other members could step up to the plate and do just as much as Jesse did, motivation providing, though. So it's not like he needs to be demoted so he can become support man again.

And Circa to be 100% honest it sounds kind of like you have some kind of vendetta against Katyduck and that maybe that's effecting you're judgment of her logic behind supporting what I'm saying. I mean it's not like she was the one that came up with taking away their privileges to delete shit, I did, and I know it'd be unpopular, but that's exactly why I want to do it.

Like you said, moderation privileges seem to destroy support leadership, I only came up with the idea of taking away support leader's abilities to delete posts because it's so obvious that the support leader billet starting getting fucked once they gained them, it was a really obvious downhill stride from there. Now they focus on deleting shit to look like good support leaders rather than, well, peer support.

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And Circa to be 100% honest it sounds kind of like you have some kind of vendetta against Katyduck and that maybe that's effecting you're judgment of her logic behind supporting what I'm saying. I mean it's not like she was the one that came up with taking away their privileges to delete shit, I did, and I know it'd be unpopular, but that's exactly why I want to do it.

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only sounds like?

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Sorry if this has been suggested already, but I am at work, and can't read the whole topic.

Post edited at 2:14 pm on July 20, 2008 by Tangaroa

what we need are 25-30 really good moderators picked by someone who isnt a total fucking idiot, and a reasonable administration

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Quote: from medjai at 8:13 pm on July 20, 2008

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And Circa to be 100% honest it sounds kind of like you have some kind of vendetta against Katyduck and that maybe that's effecting you're judgment of her logic behind supporting what I'm saying. I mean it's not like she was the one that came up with taking away their privileges to delete shit, I did, and I know it'd be unpopular, but that's exactly why I want to do it.

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only sounds like?

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Quote: from katyduck at 4:27 pm on July 20, 2008

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Quote: from medjai at 8:13 pm on July 20, 2008

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And Circa to be 100% honest it sounds kind of like you have some kind of vendetta against Katyduck and that maybe that's effecting you're judgment of her logic behind supporting what I'm saying. I mean it's not like she was the one that came up with taking away their privileges to delete shit, I did, and I know it'd be unpopular, but that's exactly why I want to do it.

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only sounds like?

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haha, you dumb bitch. it's not about you.

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on topic, i honestly think this site is essentially worthless, unless the administration and fundamental nature of it change. you cant fix shit if the foundation is completely broken

Post edited at 3:19 pm on July 20, 2008 by prisoner of hss

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Post edited at 7:06 am on July 21, 2008 by prisoner of hss

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