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Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 10:47 pm on Aug. 28, 2008

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But you never said it was hypothetical. You just said it and expected everyone to just "catch on"... it doesn't work that way...

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It doesn't matter whether or not it's hypothetical. It doesn't matter whether or not you think I'm a shitty excuse for a human being. I have no idea why you keep on beating this dead horse.  

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I don't throw out the points I "don't like". I throw out what I think is a human opinion rather than God's opinion.

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Do you have an objective criteria by which to distinguish the two?

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It does matter whether or not it was hypothetical or not because it causes misunderstandings ( kind of like this one). This is the internet, darling. Try being more clear. I know you think you think you are too smart to clarify for anything, but calm down.

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Yes, things that don't contradict what was said in the chapter before.

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Otherwise, I see no contradiction.

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If God did come down to earth and sacrifice Himself in obedience and sacrifice His Son in love and instituted Christianity through the apostles why would anyone who has any concern to know God want to reject that and do their own thing with some man made creed?

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Because they don't believe that. Or even if they did believe, it isn't exactly the most fun religion.

You owe God because you are inherently evil, he saved you. Now pray and read the bible and stop wacking off and if you don't believe you will burn. I am sure that many theists would prefer a 'hands off' God.

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Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 11:01 pm on Aug. 28, 2008

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Yes, things that  don't contradict what was said in the chapter before.

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Please provide a passage that states Christ is not the only way to Heaven (or something comparable).

Otherwise, I see no contradiction.

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That is a contradiction. Is is saying that no one can get to God but through Christ, but Christ and God are the same thing. You can't go from being 2 to 1 in a matter of pages.

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I am not going to go and search for the nearest Bible to prove something to you.

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But I do know the Bible says God and Jesus are one. So as long as I believe in God, what's the difference?

That is a contradiction. Is is saying that no one can get to God but through Christ, but Christ and God are the same thing. You can't go from being 2 to 1 in a matter of pages.

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Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 11:14 pm on Aug. 28, 2008

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I am not going to go and search for the nearest Bible to prove something to you.

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For future reference: http://www.biblegateway.com/

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But I do know the Bible says God and Jesus are one. So as long as I believe in God, what's the difference?  

 That is a contradiction. Is is saying that no one can get to God but through Christ, but Christ and God are the same thing. You can't go from being 2 to 1 in a matter of pages.

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Are you aware of the concept of the Trinity?

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No i don't. I'm sure you're dying to inform me though...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

To move on to why religious relatively is not applicable to Christianity, let me give you a run through of salvation:

The consequence of sin is physical and spiritual death. So we die in the flesh, and we are all damned to Hell. All have sinned, and so we all deserve this.

However, luckily for us, God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Jesus dies a spiritual death in our place, so that we do not have to pay for our sins and can instead go to Heaven.

Which is why salvation is not about living a good life, or believing in some form of God. It is simply about accepting Jesus' sacrifice.

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Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 11:22 pm on Aug. 28, 2008

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No i don't. I'm sure you're dying to inform me though...

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Think of it as a divine 3 for the price of 1. God is three entities - Father, Son and Holy Ghost - in one being.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

To move on to why religious relatively is not applicable to Christianity, let me give you a run through of salvation:

The consequence of sin is physical and spiritual death. So we die in the flesh, and we are all damned to Hell. All have sinned, and so we all deserve this.

However, luckily for us, God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Jesus dies a spiritual death in our place, so that we do not have to pay for our sins and can instead go to Heaven.

Which is why salvation is not about living a good life, or believing in some form of God. It is simply about accepting Jesus' sacrifice.

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-If that is choose to believe is why? Once again you are presenting it as fact.( But I'm guessing this is hypothetical too). Why present something you don't even believe in. Asking others to do what you won't do yourself?

-Since when was wikipedia ever a reliable source?

-You have a mentality like it is either Christianity or nothing. Either way you are just choosing the 2 most popular religious ideas in western culture.

-You act like I decided to stop believing in the Bible on a whim and you can easily sway me by repeating 10 verses of scripture. I know what the Bible says, you don't need to tell me.

-Also, trinity was also made up by Christians who are trying to make sense of the Bible (from the source you gave me). Which leads me to my previous point, if it was created by human there is alway room for error.

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-If that is choose to believe is why? Once again you are presenting it as fact.( But I'm guessing this is hypothetical too). Why present something you don't even believe in. Asking others to do what you won't do yourself?

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-Since when was wikipedia ever a reliable source?

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http://www.afcministry.com/Trinity_Doctrine.htm

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/trinity.shtml

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=215

http://www.carm.org/cut/trinity.htm

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-You have a mentality like it is either Christianity or nothing. Either way you are just choosing the 2 most popular religious ideas in western culture.

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-You act like I decided to stop believing in the Bible on a whim and you can easily sway me by repeating 10 verses of scripture. I know what the Bible says, you don't need to tell me.

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-Also, trinity was also made up by Christians who are trying to make sense of the Bible (from the source you gave me). Which leads me to my previous point, if it was created by human there is alway room for error.

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Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 11:40 pm on Aug. 28, 2008

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-If that is choose to believe is why? Once again you are presenting it as fact.( But I'm guessing this is hypothetical too). Why present something you don't even believe in. Asking others to do what you won't do yourself?

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I am not presenting it as fact, I am simply trying to explain Christian doctrine to you. Whether you choose to believe it or not does not interest me in the slightest.  

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-Since when was wikipedia ever a reliable source?

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Hopefully some of these will be more helpful:

http://www.afcministry.com/Trinity_Doctrine.htm

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/trinity.shtml

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=215

http://www.carm.org/cut/trinity.htm

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-You have a mentality like it is either Christianity or nothing. Either way you are just choosing the 2 most popular religious ideas in western culture.

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I recognise there are thousands of religions practiced around the world. I am not saying religious diversity does not exist, I am saying none of those other religions are compatible with Christianity.

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-You act like I decided to stop believing in the Bible on a whim and you can easily sway me by repeating 10 verses of scripture. I know what the Bible says, you don't need to tell me.

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Considering you do not know what the Trinity is, I am doubting you are well versed in Christian theology. Of course I am far from an expert myself, but I'd like to think I've grasped the basics.

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-Also, trinity was also made up by Christians who are trying to make sense of the Bible (from the source you gave me). Which leads me to my previous point, if it was created by human there is alway room for error.

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Could you source that please.

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I think she's looking for a direct quote from the Wikipedia article that says exactly that.

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Source that?It was in the wikipedia link you gave me! Maybe you should try reading it before you suggest it to others.

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And could you please respond to the other points I made?

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Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 8:16 pm on Aug. 28, 2008Quote: from SpM at 6:48 pm on Aug. 28, 2008Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 11:40 pm on Aug. 28, 2008  -Also, trinity was also made up by Christians who are trying to make sense of the Bible (from the source you gave me). Which leads me to my previous point, if it was created by human there is alway room for error.  
  Could you source that please. Source that?It was in  the wikipedia link you gave me! Maybe you should try reading it before you suggest it to others.

I think she's looking for a direct quote from the Wikipedia article that says exactly that.

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Quote: from playboyfreak456 at 1:16 am on Aug. 29, 2008

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Source that?It was in  the wikipedia link you gave me! Maybe you should try reading it before you suggest it to others.

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As exceedinglyrare noted, I asked for a specific citation.

And could you please respond to the other points I made?

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And no I'm not replying to yours. You never reply to my significant points, why should I waste my time on your points unimportant points.

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I'm glad your butt buddy came to your rescue.
"Neither of the words "Trinity" nor "Triunity" appear in the Old Testament or New Testament, but the concept has its basis in an understanding of scriptural teaching". It's a part of trinity in scripture.

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And no I'm not replying to yours. You never reply to my significant points, why should I waste my time on your points unimportant points.

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