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Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 8:30 pm on July 22, 2008

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Quote: from drifting at 7:55 pm on July 22, 2008

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Second, I think that EVERYONE should be able to reply to it, but members who have a history of off topic posts, unseriousness, etc, should be banned from replying in it until their behavior changes.

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 Rather than suggest some kind of goofy scheme to methodically weed out every single non-helpful person, why don't we develop some kind of system to specifically mark people who want to be helpful. Maybe if someone has a history of supportive behavior, we'll institute some kind of process by which they can be marked an officially "supportive" member?  
 

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True.

That would probably work better.

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I just described support leaders and only letting them reply to the Serious Forum.

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Quote: from drifting at 8:51 pm on July 22, 2008

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Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 8:30 pm on July 22, 2008

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Quote: from drifting at 7:55 pm on July 22, 2008

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Second, I think that EVERYONE should be able to reply to it, but members who have a history of off topic posts, unseriousness, etc, should be banned from replying in it until their behavior changes.

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  Rather than suggest some kind of goofy scheme to methodically weed out every single non-helpful person, why don't we develop some kind of system to specifically mark people who want to be helpful. Maybe if someone has a history of supportive behavior, we'll institute some kind of process by which they can be marked an officially "supportive" member?
 

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 True.  

 That would probably work better.

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I just described support leaders and only letting them reply to the Serious Forum.

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The Support Leader position itself is fine with me, it's the application process that bothers me.

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Quote: from drifting at 8:51 pm on July 22, 2008

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Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 8:30 pm on July 22, 2008

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Quote: from drifting at 7:55 pm on July 22, 2008

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Second, I think that EVERYONE should be able to reply to it, but members who have a history of off topic posts, unseriousness, etc, should be banned from replying in it until their behavior changes.

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  Rather than suggest some kind of goofy scheme to methodically weed out every single non-helpful person, why don't we develop some kind of system to specifically mark people who want to be helpful. Maybe if someone has a history of supportive behavior, we'll institute some kind of process by which they can be marked an officially "supportive" member?  
 

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 True.  

 That would probably work better.

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I just described support leaders and only letting them reply to the Serious Forum.

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Actually, no you didnt.

The position you described included ALL helpful members, not just those who took the time to look through their 8,000 posts to find 10 helpful ones.

I would much rather spend my time POSTING and HELPING than digging through my posts, so I can find a few to make me an SL, so I can reply to a couple of posts in the Serious Forum where I have good advice, or personal experience.

As it stands now, the Serious Forum is pointless. Its eHelps. It just frustrates those of us who arent SLs.

And by the way, I really dont want to be an SL. I dont need Sudo mod powers, or a special label to tell me Im a contributing member. Thats why Im part of the site.

There is no reason that supportive members should be treating like the elite on a site that is supposed to be support. The Support Leader position just further kills the support from non-SL members.

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Actually, no you didnt.

The position you described included ALL helpful members, not just those who took the time to look through their 8,000 posts to find 10 helpful ones.

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Allow me to revise. I described the current Support Leader system, which is inclusive of all helpful members who aren't so infrequently helpful that it has become a chore to actually find ten instances of actually being supportive to another human being.

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I would much rather spend my time POSTING and HELPING than digging through my posts, so I can find a few to make me an SL, so I can reply to a couple of posts in the Serious Forum where I have good advice, or personal experience.

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If are as concerned with supporting people as you claim to be, it shouldn't be at all difficult to locate ten supportive posts you've made in the last week, let alone in the entire time you've been posting here. That essentially makes what you're doing unproductive whining. Think, in the time it took you to write this, you could have been putting the finishing touches on that SL application.

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As it stands now, the Serious Forum is pointless. Its eHelps. It just frustrates those of us who arent SLs.

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While the Serious Forum may very well need an overhaul, it serves a nice purpose in allowing people to post something where it won't be flooded with inane replies by an over-energetic pack of wild nitwits lured in from the forests of the internet.

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And by the way, I really dont want to be an SL. I dont need Sudo mod powers, or a special label to tell me Im a contributing member. Thats why Im part of the site.

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If you're too much of a lazy ass to fill out a Support Leader application so you have a visible mark on you that says, "Hey, I'm here to help you guys, feel free to contact me," a mark that shows that you took the time and bare effort required to put through the application to show that you are actually here to help people rather than just incidentally provide support when not just chatting it up with friends, then perhaps you shouldn't be taking such an up-your-own-ass self-righteous approach to this.

If you have such moral opposition to moving topics and hiding posts, then guess what: You don't have to do that!

It's crazy, I know. You're the one who can decide how much of a pseudo-mod you want to be. Don't be so dim as to suggest that those capacities somehow ruin the position for you, as if you're such an ignorant sheep that the mere potential to use them would completely destroy your ability to be supportive.

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There is no reason that supportive members should be treating like the elite on a site that is supposed to be support. The Support Leader position just further kills the support from non-SL members.

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If you think that the Support Leader position is about being an elite and not about providing a means of self-identification so that the people who want others to know they're available for help whenever they're seen around, then that isn't a flaw with the SL system.

It is some kind of ridiculous inferiority complex you've developed because someone has a little badge and meaningless powers on an internet forum.

Post edited at 3:08 pm on July 23, 2008 by TheOtherHorseman

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I mean, I applied to be a support leader early on. I was rejected. Why? Because my 10 supportive replies werent taken from a large enough span of time. The problem with that logic? I hadnt been there for more than two months or so, so I didnt HAVE a great enough span of time to take it from.

And, yeah, now it is a pain to go back and find my supportive posts. Why? Because a great majority of the topics I start a serious, supportive reply on, I'm not allowed to reply to. What's left? Sure, there are some I can be supportive on, but you have to admit that the majority of non-serious forum topics that we ARE allowed to reply to, are not serious, spam, and generally just silly stuff. So it is a pain to look through.

That isnt to say that I cant apply. I have a list of replies going, and once I'm satisfied with them, I will apply again. However, it doesnt make sense that one should have to apply for a special little badge just to respond to a serious topic.
Edit: And apparently, I have to restart my list. I just went back to look at the posts I had chosen, and all of them are gone. Yes, gone. I dont know why; I can only assume its because the most recent one is from january (I left for a couple of months, and am now returning).

Post edited at 6:54 pm on July 23, 2008 by orange joy

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we shouldnt be able to respond to a serious topic because we're not ALWAYS serious?

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I hadnt been there for more than two months or so, so I didnt HAVE a great enough span of time to take it from.

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the majority of non-serious forum topics that we ARE allowed to reply to, are not serious, spam, and generally just silly stuff.

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it doesnt make sense that one should have to apply for a special little badge just to respond to a serious topic.

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Post edited at 7:08 pm on July 23, 2008 by hithere

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I hadnt been there for more than two months or so, so I didnt HAVE a great enough span of time to take it from.

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moderators have said time and time again that they don't hold it against a member if the member hasn't been here for long. so i don't believe it. maybe i would believe it if it were a week, but not two months.

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Well, it doesnt matter if you believe it, and it doesnt matter if they've said that. The reasons cited to me were that I had not been there long enough to prove that I could be consistently supportive, although I was able to prove that I was consistently supportive over the period of my first two months.

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